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Just though about a small change of topic here in Colosseum =) .
Best assault rifle in the wolrd ... wich is it ? You have a big ammount to choose from BUT , elements like price , rate of fire , penetration capability and cost should be considered . You don't have to use the exact data if you don't bother to .
Please enlighten me with your thoughts !
didn't find info anyways :(
u wanna kill someone Atolla ?
going after Sadam yerself ?
Originally posted by razor
u wanna kill someone Atolla ?
going after Sadam yerself ?
Kill ? Nah make love not war ! hehe . Just want o see how well other people are enlightened about this =)
I do want to kill some people in my office though hehe
Originally posted by Atolla
I do want to kill some people in my office though hehe
Alert !
Do NOT hand out any price information about any weapons to this guy , post was recently reported to FBI central office for further investigation , maybe hes a sleeper .
You are now tagged as KNOWN TERRORIST at the CIA and FBI
Congrats Atolla.
All hail to the mighty US investigation department
</end sarcasm>
Originally posted by steam
Alert !
Do NOT hand out any price information about any weapons to this guy , post was recently reported to FBI central office for further investigation , maybe hes a sleeper .
You are now tagged as KNOWN TERRORIST at the CIA and FBI
Congrats Atolla.
All hail to the mighty US investigation department
</end sarcasm>
Muhahaha , luckely for me i live in Norway so FBI won't get me here hehe :D , i can flee to Russia and buy weapons there :yes:
AK-101(Assault Rifle) a close combat version of it wich is used by FSB ( Federal Security Bureau/Department ) and Alpha team wich is Russian anti terrorist squad . Firing 600 rounds per minute and with adition of teflon bullets , it can penetrate any body armor out there . Range of effective sighted fire is 1000 meters :D . If you add laser sighting to it ehehe It becomes one of the most lethal assault rifles out there . It is also very very very cheap :D
I am a madman !
I'd say the HK OICW. If for nothing else then at least for the quasi-futuristic value of it...
http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm
Originally posted by Atolla
I am a madman !
u certainly are ;)
I got the right thing for you....
12 shot magazine, effective range about 8 meters...
looky here (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000663PY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
OOO !!! 8-O I want this peace of machinery !!!
Originally posted by [M7]
I got the right thing for you....
12 shot magazine, effective range about 8 meters...
looky here (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000663PY.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
That's the one Spetznaz use :)
Originally posted by Quinn
That's the one Spetznaz use :)
as a side arm hehe
if you really want some kickass gun ,
check out thisone :
http://www.maxs-sport.de/produkte/01074.jpg
Comes with :
Tunigbarrel, Frontbottleconnector with Antiliquidsystem, Bottomline, Vertikalfeed, Volumizer, Doublefingertrigger , Antidoublefeed,Rearcocking System, Dropforward with Regulator and Manometer
Effective range is about 50 metres at 300 bpi
Shot frequency around 60/minute
Great gun , i use it aswell and killed literally hundreds of persons with it :)
ei , paintball ! always wanted to try it hehe
Originally posted by steam
Great gun , i use it aswell and killed literally hundreds of persons with it :)
Sounds like you are pretty sick :)
Hardly an assault rifle, though
According to the numbers, the AK-47 is the most used combat weapon ever.
It's a simple mechanic, and it works evidentially ;)
correct , and it's cheaper then AK-101 though it's capabilities are also largerly reduced
IF I recall correctly, the build order the russians gave to the engineer is something along the lines of:
"We need a weapon we can burry for 10 years, dig up, assemble and use. Also every idiot must be capable of using/maintaining it".
The rifle is quite simple, has no "extra's" and is amazingly accurate for a weapon of its size and usage.
If its the best gun, I don't know. But it surely is a good gun for a lot of purposes.
Speaking of futuristic weapons... check this out www.metalstorm.com
100% electronic, no mechanical moving parts
unique 100% solid state system
electronically variable rate of fire confirmed to one million rounds per minute
application across a broad range of defence and commercial end uses
ROF 1 milion rounds/ minute <---- OMFG!!!
Don't think it fits the catagory of an assault rifle though :)
Originally posted by Mini
Speaking of futuristic weapons... check this out www.metalstorm.com
100% electronic, no mechanical moving parts
unique 100% solid state system
electronically variable rate of fire confirmed to one million rounds per minute
application across a broad range of defence and commercial end uses
ROF 1 milion rounds/ minute <---- OMFG!!!
Don't think it fits the catagory of an assault rifle though :)
yeah and in the middle of the battle you run out of battery ... amazing weapon indeed .)
I think future weapons will be aimed at high precition long range weapons . Things like smart guided bullets and rockets . Imagine how much ammo and power you will need to keep these high fire rate weapons firing for 1-3 minitues ?
Johnny Rico
25-02-2003, 16:56
Being a U.S. citizen, whose residence is very much under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, I think it may be best to stay out of this debate entirely.
Big Brother is watching (and I'm not talking about the T.V. show)
JR.
Lantador
25-02-2003, 16:58
The danish version of the Colt Commando rifle upgraded with optical aiming scope and new barrel is by far the best weapon I tried in the army.
We call it a "Colt M95/M96", the M96 is the same weapon but with a shorter barrel (and thus slightly more inaccurate) and foldable end piece, for use by tank personnel and special forces. There also exist a sniper version with a very long barrel and a light machine gun version of this weapon. For the light machine gun version the techies had to actually move the front support legs back since else the weapon was too accurate for a light machine gun, where you do want the projectiles to spread out a bit. :D
The reason I see the Colt M95 as the best weapon, is mainly its stability. You can litterally pour as much mud and debris into this rifle as you wish, and still it will continue firing. Furthermore it has next to no recoil at all, makes little noise, and is extremely accurate, both at short ranges and longer ranges.
In training while I was in le army I saw both danish and american navy Sea-Air-Land (SEAL) teams use versions of this weapon, and since these units are very picky when it comes to weapons, it speaks of the high quality of this particular piece.
Ive also tried rifles and small arms from a few other companies, but really Colt beats everythng, even legendary H&K. So, if I was to choose a single rifle to take with me into whatever situation, this would be the one.
:D
Lantador
25-02-2003, 17:04
The only weapon I can imagine coming close to the Colt would be the AK-47, it has the power and the reliability, but it lacks accuracy.
Also the AK-47 uses 7.62MM and thus will propbably kill a man with a hit anywhere in the upper body, whereas the Colt uses 5.56MM (NATO Standard), which will mostly only severely injure an enemy, which is overall smarter in war. (A severely injured soldier is bad for morale since he will scream, will require people to transport away, and at least one medic/doc to attend to. A dead solider doesn't scream, and can just be left at the spot, thus he won't strain the enemy's logistics.)
If you do want a guy dead, the Colt is accurate enough for you to decide to shoot in the upper chest or head, which will instantly kill.
AK47 offcourse, atleast if you don't fire it in to long periods. The heating of the barrel makes is less reliable then :S
Lantador
25-02-2003, 17:11
One shot at a time is the way to go anyway with rifles, even with light machine guns you always try to keep your firing at 3-5 projectiles pr. burst maximum, and always at 3 if you're a good shooter, else you get both low accuracy, and a quickly overheated barrel.
Originally posted by Lantador
The only weapon I can imagine coming close to the Colt would be the AK-47, it has the power and the reliability, but it lacks accuracy.
Also the AK-47 uses 7.62MM and thus will propbably kill a man with a hit anywhere in the upper body, whereas the Colt uses 5.56MM (NATO Standard), which will mostly only severely injure an enemy, which is overall smarter in war. (A severely injured soldier is bad for morale since he will scream, will require people to transport away, and at least one medic/doc to attend to. A dead solider doesn't scream, and can just be left at the spot, thus he won't strain the enemy's logistics.)
If you do want a guy dead, the Colt is accurate enough for you to decide to shoot in the upper chest or head, which will instantly kill.
There is also a bad side to this as an injured soldier still can shoot =) I think a mix of both weapons would be lethal thou
with a 7.62mm gun, you dont need to bother if the enemy has kevlar, or hides behind a tree :)
I shot with the Norwegian AG3 (based upon the German HK G-3), and its basicly a hand cannon.
what you really want is some sort of sniper rifle, Dragonov or the exelent Barret one.
In my opinion the AK-47 is one of the best Assault rifles. It is the most widely used assault rifle. The Russian is better than the Chinese version due to the simple fact that the Russian model can be converted to a fully automatic rifle alot easier. Its cheap to produce and easy to sell just look at Nations of Africa and the Middle east. They mostly use AK-47.
Theres been many improvements on the AK like a small scoop placed under the barrel to prevent the recoil that plagued its Rate of Fire and accuracy.
Anyways
Anu
Lantador
25-02-2003, 20:54
If u want a hand cannon try the Browning 12.7 MM Heavy Machine Gun (Infantry Version). It's used in the danish infantry groups, cuz they like to carry 50 kilo tripod mounted guns around (heh). Its also used mounted on APC's and many types of tanks.
Anyway, it pwns anything from personel to APC's, and its mad fun to shoot (I've tried it). :D
Lantador
25-02-2003, 20:56
Originally posted by Zhukov
with a 7.62mm gun, you dont need to bother if the enemy has kevlar, or hides behind a tree :)
I shot with the Norwegian AG3 (based upon the German HK G-3), and its basicly a hand cannon.
what you really want is some sort of sniper rifle, Dragonov or the exelent Barret one.
The Dragonov or the Barret 0.50 (12.7MM) can hardly be called assault rifles, they're more like moveable tank barrels really, cuz omg they shoot fucking hard. I've seen the barret demonstrated to shoot tank mines from 600 meters away. :D
Originally posted by Atolla
I think future weapons will be aimed at high precition long range weapons . Things like smart guided bullets and rockets .
but those can be stop by a <I-forget-what-it-is-called>(some sort of radio interferance thing.)
:dead:
Originally posted by Lantador
The Dragonov or the Barret 0.50 (12.7MM) can hardly be called assault rifles, they're more like moveable tank barrels really, cuz omg they shoot fucking hard. I've seen the barret demonstrated to shoot tank mines from 600 meters away. :D
The Barret can hit targets at 1500 meters.. thats pretty nice :)
Also with a 12.7mm multipurpose bullet (with norway makes, and is "kinda" forbidden to use against people), your sure to kill any human beeing if you just hit somewhere in the chest
Originally posted by Zhukov
The Barret can hit targets at 1500 meters.. thats pretty nice :)
Also with a 12.7mm multipurpose bullet (with norway makes, and is "kinda" forbidden to use against people), your sure to kill any human beeing if you just hit somewhere in the chest
Indeed you can kill , but i think each bullet adds an exstra cost wich doesn't make this weapon widely used in big operations
Originally posted by Zhukov
The Barret can hit targets at 1500 meters.. thats pretty nice :)
Also with a 12.7mm multipurpose bullet (with norway makes, and is "kinda" forbidden to use against people), your sure to kill any human beeing if you just hit somewhere in the chest
Actually you just have to hit near a person to cause serious damage with it :)
Originally posted by Quinn
Actually you just have to hit near a person to cause serious damage with it :)
Imagine a weapon like this armed with a new smart self guided bullet , you can easely terrorize any armored vinicle out there shooting at the leading link (commander) inside the tank for exampel . They have small holes for visual u see .
Lantador
27-02-2003, 11:03
Yea... from what we were told, supposedly if you hit someone in the arm, it would potentially be capable of ripping off the entire arm... Don't know if thats true or not, but it is a very impressive piece of weaponry.
New .50 Magnum can kill a bear
AP - Smith & Wesson has introduced its biggest handgun ever, a .50-calibre Magnum that can kill a bear.
The five-shot revolver with an 8 1/2 inch (23cm) barrel weighs about 4 1/2 pounds (2kg) - roughly a pound (450g) more than the big black .44 Magnum wielded by Clint Eastwood in the Dirty Harry movies.
It fires a new .50-calibre cartridge that the company said produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 - or enough stopping power to bring down a charging bear.
"The primary market for it is hunting big game," spokesman Ken Jorgensen said.
Steve Comus, publications director of the Safari Club International, said he expects Smith & Wesson to sell several thousand of the weapons to sportsmen interested in hunting with handguns.
Some questioned the wisdom of producing a more powerful handgun.
"It boggles the mind," said Tom Ortiz, executive director of the Violence Policy Centre. He predicted the new Magnum would create "a new order of threat to law enforcement."
Smith & Wesson first brought out the .44 Magnum in the 1950s.
The new gun, which sells for $US989 ($A1,660), is one of nine models Smith & Wesson introduced this week at a trade show in Orlando, Florida.
President Roy C. Cuny said it was the largest number of new introductions in recent years.
The introduction of the big gun marks a sharp departure for the 150-year-old company, which for the past five years has concentrated on the development of lightweight revolvers using alloys of rare metals.
Among the other new guns being introduced by Smith & Wesson is the industry's lightest ever: a .44 Magnum that has a 4-inch (10cm) barrel, scandium frame and titanium cylinder, and weighs in at 1 pound, 10 1/2 ounces (750g).
"We see this as an opportunity for backpackers," Cuny said. "A light firearm of this caliber, in fact, provides protection against bears and other big things."
Despite a spike following the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, handgun sales have long been on the decline in the United States, and Smith & Wesson has struggled along with other gunmakers.
But Smith & Wesson, long the industry leader, also lost business in recent years after striking a deal with the Clinton administration in 2000 to install safety locks on all its guns and change its marketing practices.
Other gunmakers decided not to follow Smith & Wesson's lead, and gun advocates accused the company of selling out.
In 2001, the ailing gunmaker was sold by its British owner to an Arizona startup company that all but abandoned the agreement with the government and adopted an aggressive and unapologetic marketing stance.
How does that one stack up against the Desert Eagle .50?
Originally posted by Quinn
How does that one stack up against the Desert Eagle .50?
dunno how u can stack em up ;)
Originally posted by razor
dunno how u can stack em up ;)
Shoot a guy with each and see who's deader?
Originally posted by Quinn
Shoot a guy with each and see who's deader?
I heard they use pigs and rabbits :no: pooreh animals
I really dont see the point of putting 12.7 or .50 (the same right) in handgun, must be very unprecise.
Originally posted by Zhukov
I really dont see the point of putting 12.7 or .50 (the same right) in handgun, must be very unprecise.
The Desert Eagle is pretty precise due to the long barrel.
Originally posted by Zhukov
I really dont see the point of putting 12.7 or .50 (the same right) in handgun, must be very unprecise.
Take in mind that with that calibre it doesnt really matter a lot WHERE you hit them.. as long as you manage to hit them. And most of those weapons aren't that inaccurate. Especially the desert eagle. Its huge, cumbersome and totally unpractical and therefore an typical american weapon but, i have to admit, it is pretty accurate for its calibre.
The recoil aint that bad either :D
hm i wonder what you all are talking about , a weapon is deadly , it doesnt really matter which calibre , its not like it is in the film where the good hero gets shot in the arm , takes out his sock, wraps it around his arm and fights the evil.
Most people dont die of the direct weapon impact , they simply die of shock
I bet you wouldnt care much whether you have been hit by a deagle or a .32 ladykiller , both are equally lethal , maybe the deagle will do 2 holes , but i promise you will have better things to think of that particular moment .
And if you get a chest hit , and theres no emergency response team sitting right the next table , both weapons will kill you.
Originally posted by steam
And if you get a chest hit , and theres no emergency response team sitting right the next table , both weapons will kill you.
This isnt entirely true. Altho I admit that it wont go as in movies I know of numeral occasions were a guy managed to run away after he was shit in the shoulder. This usually happens when one is hit by "low impact" bullets. IE: relatively slow, big bullets.. strange as it might seem, the bullet pushes the organs out of the way instead of piercing them.. (if yer VERY lucky). This is the one advantage big bullets have.
Smaller bullets tend to pierce more. but its a smaller hole. a small hit in the shoulder really wont stop you. If there isnt much bloodloss, that is.
We are talking about normal bullets here. As soon as we get to the "frazed hollow point" ones I prefer not being the test victim.
Altho I completely agree with steam here, I must add that there are numerous occasions in which the impossible happens and people surive 12 chest-shots.. usually they die of 1 tho :)
Originally posted by Def2K
...were a guy managed to run away after he was shit in the shoulder...
u cant get out no more these days without getting shit in the shoulder
where is this world comming to :(
Originally posted by razor
u cant get out no more these days without getting shit in the shoulder
where is this world comming to :(
You know, I actually suspected I had made this type heh. I didnt dare to check this thread for a looooooong time :D
Originally posted by Def2K
You know, I actually suspected I had made this type heh. I didnt dare to check this thread for a looooooong time :D
its either shot or hit my dutch friend
there is no shit comming out of rifles and guns
Originally posted by razor
its either shot or hit my dutch friend
there is no shit comming out of rifles and guns
Well, there is a lot of shit comming from using guns tho.. :D
But, yes, I admit, even I, flawless Def2K, the perfect one, has made a slight typing error.
Spare me. Begone eviiiiiil :D
devildawg
04-03-2003, 03:27
notta AR but still phat http://www.pozland.com/guns/guns1/G3_Sentry.jpg
and i own the 500 yard like with a open sight M16 a2 so im partial them
Lantador
05-03-2003, 16:43
Originally posted by devildawg
notta AR but still phat http://www.pozland.com/guns/guns1/G3_Sentry.jpg
and i own the 500 yard like with a open sight M16 a2 so im partial them
pwnage picture :D
Valhalla
28-03-2003, 12:26
Originally posted by steam
if you really want some kickass gun ,
check out thisone :
http://www.maxs-sport.de/produkte/01074.jpg
Comes with :
Tunigbarrel, Frontbottleconnector with Antiliquidsystem, Bottomline, Vertikalfeed, Volumizer, Doublefingertrigger , Antidoublefeed,Rearcocking System, Dropforward with Regulator and Manometer
Effective range is about 50 metres at 300 bpi
Shot frequency around 60/minute
Great gun , i use it aswell and killed literally hundreds of persons with it :)
Let's play then...
I got a Shocker (http://www.smartparts.com/spshocker.htm)
:p
oooh a SHOCKER......my friend had an angel but it broke :( oh well, at least he was on the number one team in south florida :)
hey wait.....isn't this post supposed to be on SWG guns???
i need one more post to get a banner so here goes:
lalalalalallalala
yay 3 posts now i can get a banner.
ofcourse the AK-47 is the best "ass-rifle " throout history.
Have you seen the movie "The sum of all Fears" when the plaines is attacking the Hangarship?
The minigun who shots ...well...trying to shoot down all the missiles...thats a gun...:D
there you have your metalfuturegun...
:rolleyes:
but i use the HK MSG90...
MSG90 Technical Specifications
Caliber 7.62x51mm (.308 )
Modes of fire Semi-automatic
Ammunition feed Staggered magazines; 5- and 20-round capacity
Sights 6x scope
Weight: with empty magazine 14.11 pounds (6.41 kg)
Barrel length 23.62 inches (600mm)
Overall length 45.87 inches (1,165mm)
Width 2.56 inches (65mm)
Height 10.23 inches (259.8mm)
Originally posted by DeEvil
Weight: with empty magazine 14.11 pounds (6.41 kg)
With 6.5 kg, this one aint any fun talking with you in a real war.
Originally posted by Zhukov
With 6.5 kg, this one aint any fun talking with you in a real war.
couldnīt agree with you more...
but i like sniping and if it goes to that, sneek up on the enemy and draw my knife :yes:
i know it is not the best sniping rifle, but it looks good... :=)
I'm not understanding the whole sniper rifle thing.......
You have to put your eye so close to the scope; wouldn't the recoil knock your eye out? Or is there hardly any recoil on those.......this has always baffled me.
Originally posted by DeEvil
couldnīt agree with you more...
but i like sniping and if it goes to that, sneek up on the enemy and draw my knife :yes:
i know it is not the best sniping rifle, but it looks good... :=)
In my army service I had a rifle who was 4.2kg without ammo, and that was more than heavy (and clumsy) enough for me.
Lantador
30-03-2003, 10:23
Originally posted by Zhukov
With 6.5 kg, this one aint any fun talking with you in a real war.
Aint that bad, in the danish army the Infantry LMG they use is an 11-kilo one. But I'd say thats the limit of whats fun to carry around.
Originally posted by Blyr
I'm not understanding the whole sniper rifle thing.......
You have to put your eye so close to the scope; wouldn't the recoil knock your eye out? Or is there hardly any recoil on those.......this has always baffled me.
well... ofcourse there is a small recoil on them also...but not much.. depends on how you use it and what type of rifle you use..
and with the different weight things...hmm...yeah some are heavy some are not...just work out more perhaps..;)
Originally posted by Lantador
Aint that bad, in the danish army the Infantry LMG they use is an 11-kilo one. But I'd say thats the limit of whats fun to carry around.
aye, but Im lazy :D
Originally posted by Zhukov
aye, but Im lazy :D
ah.....come on bro....11 pounds........geez my laptop is 11 frigging pounds :=)
Originally posted by DeEvil
well... ofcourse there is a small recoil on them also...but not much.. depends on how you use it and what type of rifle you use..
if these guns don't have much recoil, why doesn't someone design some badass gun that has super accuracy and like no recoil.
Another Question: Do is there any advantage to using bolt action as opposed to semi?
Lantador
31-03-2003, 16:44
Regarding the sniper rifles, then theres a reason the part of the scope you put your eye into is made of rubber.
Theres also a reason you hold it hard against your shoulder when you fire it.
But when I was in the army I still saw recruits exit the firing range with bleeding eyebrows after playing with weapons, especially with the Heckler & Koch 7.26mm rifles, since they have a lot of recoil.
:)
killerbee
31-03-2003, 19:16
sa 80
ok, its the only rifle i used except .22 cadet rifles. but iam 20, a student in the uk and have only been in the cadets...
all i can say is that the sa 80's design just felt right, light enough, x3 sight as standard making it quite damn accurate for an assault rifle. also the 'bull pup' (spelling?) degign, (cartrage behind the trigger) just feels betta than the standard layout of a rifle.
just my 2cents
if they have got the reliability sorted out on the latest version then it has to be concidered as one of the best.
Lantador
31-03-2003, 19:53
Yea... its has reliability problems, you can't pour mud into it without getting functionality problems... Any colt rifle will keep shooting, even in a mud bath..
Originally posted by Lantador
Regarding the sniper rifles, then theres a reason the part of the scope you put your eye into is made of rubber.
Theres also a reason you hold it hard against your shoulder when you fire it.
But when I was in the army I still saw recruits exit the firing range with bleeding eyebrows after playing with weapons, especially with the Heckler & Koch 7.26mm rifles, since they have a lot of recoil.
:)
7.26mm?
I got a slightly bad cheek after shooting with the HK G3.. Probably becouse I got quite long arms, and should have gotten a longer "elbow part".
lol zhukov
i guess i wasn't thinking about bracing the rifle against your shoulder....duh <someone smack me>
sure automatics are nice, but i prefer shotguns :) your aim doesn't have to be so good to shoot someone with those
Lantador
01-04-2003, 16:57
Originally posted by Zhukov
7.26mm?
I got a slightly bad cheek after shooting with the HK G3.. Probably becouse I got quite long arms, and should have gotten a longer "elbow part".
Sorry, meant 7.62mm of course!
Lantador
01-04-2003, 16:59
Originally posted by Blyr
lol zhukov
i guess i wasn't thinking about bracing the rifle against your shoulder....duh <someone smack me>
sure automatics are nice, but i prefer shotguns :) your aim doesn't have to be so good to shoot someone with those
Wtf good will a shotgun do you if you spot an enemy at 300 meters and he has a rifle, and he spots you as well?
Originally posted by Lantador
Wtf good will a shotgun do you if you spot an enemy at 300 meters and he has a rifle, and he spots you as well?
aye, thats why I would prefer a G-3 or a M-16 instead of a MP5 in real combat.
Originally posted by Lantador
Wtf good will a shotgun do you if you spot an enemy at 300 meters and he has a rifle, and he spots you as well?
:=) couldnīt agree with you more :=)
And Blyr, the post was about rifleīs, assult even, but anyway.
Shotguns are best used indoors, with small narrow turns and short corridors ( hope i spelled that right )
you betcha.
you should see my awesome bolt action full auto shotgun sniper rifle.
:=) :=) :=) :=) :=)
Lantador
05-04-2003, 18:30
Originally posted by DeEvil
:=) couldnīt agree with you more :=)
And Blyr, the post was about rifleīs, assult even, but anyway.
Shotguns are best used indoors, with small narrow turns and short corridors ( hope i spelled that right )
I don't agree.
The single use shotguns has in any army aspect, is blowing in doors when doing "house cleaning".
Indoors, in buildings, vs personnel, a H&K MP5 with a Maglite or similar is preferred by virtually any western AT and special unit.
Its light, can be hung around ur neck and will thus be at ur chest so you can climb/jump/fastrope and so forth, its accurate at short ranges, you can use the Maglite as aim in darkness (and to "flash" enemies), you can clip two magazines together, and it has 3-shot burst capability, which is ideal, plus it will penetrate fragmentation armor at short ranges.
Also I'm not sure how to explain it in english, but you can have a bullet "ready" in the chamber, which will go off just by pulling the trigger without the moving peice having to go back and forward again.
Originally posted by Lantador
I don't agree.
The single use shotguns has in any army aspect, is blowing in doors when doing "house cleaning".
Indoors, in buildings, vs personnel, a H&K MP5 with a Maglite or similar is preferred by virtually any western AT and special unit.
Its light, can be hung around ur neck and will thus be at ur chest so you can climb/jump/fastrope and so forth, its accurate at short ranges, you can use the Maglite as aim in darkness (and to "flash" enemies), you can clip two magazines together, and it has 3-shot burst capability, which is ideal, plus it will penetrate fragmentation armor at short ranges.
Also I'm not sure how to explain it in english, but you can have a bullet "ready" in the chamber, which will go off just by pulling the trigger without the moving peice having to go back and forward again.
hmm...yes ofc...thereīs alot of weapons better used indoors then a shotgun, what ever shotgun you use.
But, my point was from the use of a shotgun.
THE SHOTGUN is better used indoors then outdoors :)
and that you would agree on, right ?
:yes:
i'm wondering when someone will make a practical laser rifle
sure would save us a lot of bullets:rolleyes:
:yes:
and ja, i agree with you on the shotguns+indoors thingie you'd have to be stupid not to ERHEM
blyr
<pronounced 'Bly-er think like a pirate would pronounce it. Blyer. Blier. Blyr. not blur not blir. Bly-er.>
Originally posted by Blyr
i'm wondering when someone will make a practical laser rifle
sure would save us a lot of bullets:rolleyes:
:yes:
and ja, i agree with you on the shotguns+indoors thingie you'd have to be stupid not to ERHEM
blyr
<pronounced 'Bly-er think like a pirate would pronounce it. Blyer. Blier. Blyr. not blur not blir. Bly-er.>
ok ok i think we got that sorted out a long time ago Bly-Er
and about the bullet versus energy hmm
pretty far fetched right now i think
:yes:
Lantador
07-04-2003, 20:48
Originally posted by DeEvil
hmm...yes ofc...thereīs alot of weapons better used indoors then a shotgun, what ever shotgun you use.
But, my point was from the use of a shotgun.
THE SHOTGUN is better used indoors then outdoors :)
and that you would agree on, right ?
:yes:
I would agree on that yes! :D
Originally posted by Lantador
I would agree on that yes! :D
nice that we can agree with something.
Right now i am agreeing to myself that it is better to sit here then watching " miss Sweden beaty contest " on tv
:rolleyes:
Lantador
07-04-2003, 21:58
Originally posted by DeEvil
nice that we can agree with something.
Right now i am agreeing to myself that it is better to sit here then watching " miss Sweden beaty contest " on tv
:rolleyes:
Wtf, are you gay IRL? :D
Originally posted by Lantador
Wtf, are you gay IRL? :D
my boyfriend said that i wasnīt when we where playing doctor in bed together, he and i
:D
Lantador
07-04-2003, 22:46
OK! Stop! :dead:
i was just joking the first time :=)
and i am not gay, tho i donīt see the problem if someone is. i donīt discriminate people for their choices, whatever they may be. Even the stupid ones.
And even the stupid people.
I mean, i canīt blame them for stupid, they donīt even know that they are...but now we going off th e subject...
Pls close this darn thread. Not much more to discuss about assult rifles :=)
the use of shotguns nowadays mainly is for counter terrorist missions in civilian areas, they don t want a rifle bullet travelling a mile down the road and maybe hitting some civilian. And ofc for hunting/sport they are teh best hunting weapon of all time.
Lantador
11-04-2003, 11:17
Originally posted by hkp
the use of shotguns nowadays mainly is for counter terrorist missions in civilian areas, they don t want a rifle bullet travelling a mile down the road and maybe hitting some civilian. And ofc for hunting/sport they are teh best hunting weapon of all time.
I seriously doubt any CT unit would use a shotgun to avoid bullets travelling too far. First of all most CT units usually hit what they shoot at, and secondly it would be too big a disadvantage.
Originally posted by Lantador
I seriously doubt any CT unit would use a shotgun to avoid bullets travelling too far. First of all most CT units usually hit what they shoot at, and secondly it would be too big a disadvantage.
Agree, a bullet from a MP5 fx doesnt travel that far. Assualt rifles with 7.92mm caliber shots trough houses though, but they are not ideal in house-to-house fighting, specially if the houses are made of concrete or something similar.
agreed.:yes:
also, this post IS getting long. :yes:
Blyr.
siggy!
im just quoting the discovery channel :P
so go argue with them
Originally posted by hkp
im just quoting the discovery channel :P
so go argue with them
Discovery Channel is crap at WWII and armour. :(
Lantador
13-04-2003, 02:48
Originally posted by Zhukov
Agree, a bullet from a MP5 fx doesnt travel that far. Assualt rifles with 7.92mm caliber shots trough houses though, but they are not ideal in house-to-house fighting, specially if the houses are made of concrete or something similar.
Theres special types of bullets made for house cleansing operations, which "disintegrate" when hitting surfaces like a thick wall ... or bone inside a body. This way recouchettes and bullets travelling through the entire house (and possibly injuring own forces elsewhere in the house) can be avoided.
Its well known that for instance the english Special Air Service CT Squadrons use these.
Sandsnake
15-04-2003, 04:37
for the record, MP-5's are not classified as "Assault Rifles." They're primarily used by SOGs for close-quarters, while M-4's and M-16's are typically used for longer distance operations.
The M-16, and upcoming OICW, are outstanding weapons. Low weight, high accuracy, outstanding ammunition capacity and versatile. They're a bugger if you don't clean them but doing things like closing the dust covers on the bolt avoid most of the problems.
And don't let the size of the round fool you. Ballistically, they're evil.
mmm sounds nice...
Can you send me one for testing ??;)
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